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	<title>Comments on: Is Rogers Setting A Benchmark for Net Neutrality Policies?</title>
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		<title>By: History Making Smartphone Skype Call During LeWeb Closing Session &#124; Voice on the Web</title>
		<link>http://voiceontheweb.biz/2009/06/is-rogers-setting-a-benchmark-for-net-neutrality-policies/comment-page-1/#comment-5821</link>
		<dc:creator>History Making Smartphone Skype Call During LeWeb Closing Session &#124; Voice on the Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 00:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Skype: the “Unofficial” Personal Communications Software for the 2010 Winter Olympics? &#124; Voice on the Web</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skype: the “Unofficial” Personal Communications Software for the 2010 Winter Olympics? &#124; Voice on the Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 12:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Skype for iPhone: Now Available for Canadians &#124; Voice on the Web</title>
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		<dc:creator>Skype for iPhone: Now Available for Canadians &#124; Voice on the Web</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 04:07:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Rogers is ready to run Skype for iPhone’s voice calling over their 3G network whenever Apple removes their licensing restriction on VoIP applications employing 3G protocols. (But AT&amp;T in the U.S. is probably nowhere near being able to handle the data traffic load that would result.) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Rogers is ready to run Skype for iPhone’s voice calling over their 3G network whenever Apple removes their licensing restriction on VoIP applications employing 3G protocols. (But AT&amp;T in the U.S. is probably nowhere near being able to handle the data traffic load that would result.) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: CowMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>CowMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 12:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, if you&#039;ve never seen the Rogers search page come up for valid domains, then you are lucky. Just myself, I was seeing it a couple times an hour before switching to a root DNS.

Is it a matter of net neutrality? Certainly. Rather than returning NXDOMAIN, as is generally accepted practice (and allows your browser to decide - Firefox, for example, tries different extensions (facebook.ca, facebook.com, facebook.org) and Opera gives a notice page), Rogers returns their own search results (Google&#039;s mis-spelled domain services are not universal, btw).

Rather than returning an expected value (domain doesn&#039;t exist) it returns ad-filled search results. It has injected content into your browsing experience.. while your browser still has access, yes, it does not have the same level of access because it doesn&#039;t receive valid non-existent domain notifications. It really is just like calling someone who isn&#039;t there, but instead of getting voice mail, you get a telemarketer trying to sell you bounty towels.

While it&#039;d be nice if their claims were true, all I see from the claims outlined here and the slides is that they are trying to gloss over derogatory traffic management issues by redefining net neutrality to be about applications rather than all transmissions. If you use distributed transfer methods or encrypted transmissions, you will be throttled - that is not net neutrality. The individual applications may not be targeted, but the data they share is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, if you&#8217;ve never seen the Rogers search page come up for valid domains, then you are lucky. Just myself, I was seeing it a couple times an hour before switching to a root DNS.</p>
<p>Is it a matter of net neutrality? Certainly. Rather than returning NXDOMAIN, as is generally accepted practice (and allows your browser to decide &#8211; Firefox, for example, tries different extensions (facebook.ca, facebook.com, facebook.org) and Opera gives a notice page), Rogers returns their own search results (Google&#8217;s mis-spelled domain services are not universal, btw).</p>
<p>Rather than returning an expected value (domain doesn&#8217;t exist) it returns ad-filled search results. It has injected content into your browsing experience.. while your browser still has access, yes, it does not have the same level of access because it doesn&#8217;t receive valid non-existent domain notifications. It really is just like calling someone who isn&#8217;t there, but instead of getting voice mail, you get a telemarketer trying to sell you bounty towels.</p>
<p>While it&#8217;d be nice if their claims were true, all I see from the claims outlined here and the slides is that they are trying to gloss over derogatory traffic management issues by redefining net neutrality to be about applications rather than all transmissions. If you use distributed transfer methods or encrypted transmissions, you will be throttled &#8211; that is not net neutrality. The individual applications may not be targeted, but the data they share is.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Courtney</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Courtney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave, thanks for your comments. Having been a Rogers Internet customer for almost ten years, I have never noticed that the Rogers &quot;search&quot; page which comes up for incorrect website names has interfered with any of my browsing activities. In fact, it only comes up when I do a lousy job of spelling a URL out. This website always comes up the first time I try (unless my hosting service has a server disruption ... which has become much less frequent lately).

And since it only addresses issues when a URL is mispelled, it has nothing to do with the policy on net neutrality. In your own way you make the point Mike was trying to make with his first slide. The first goal here is to define what is meant by net neutrality. Replacing the Google page for mis-spelled URL&#039;s is has nothing to do with net neutrality when it comes to having access to applications.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave, thanks for your comments. Having been a Rogers Internet customer for almost ten years, I have never noticed that the Rogers &#8220;search&#8221; page which comes up for incorrect website names has interfered with any of my browsing activities. In fact, it only comes up when I do a lousy job of spelling a URL out. This website always comes up the first time I try (unless my hosting service has a server disruption &#8230; which has become much less frequent lately).</p>
<p>And since it only addresses issues when a URL is mispelled, it has nothing to do with the policy on net neutrality. In your own way you make the point Mike was trying to make with his first slide. The first goal here is to define what is meant by net neutrality. Replacing the Google page for mis-spelled URL&#8217;s is has nothing to do with net neutrality when it comes to having access to applications.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 17:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is good news indeed - however, I still don&#039;t quite buy into it, when Rogers stops intercepting DNS requests and displaying their &quot;search&quot; page filled with advertising if a DNS request takes longer than a few milliseconds, then I&#039;ll believe they are all for net nutrality.

Case in point - most times when I&#039;m at home on Rogers, it takes me 5-10 tries to get my blog to load up - I got so frustrated I just edited the hosts file on my computer so I could always get it, regardless of Rogers intercepting my DNS requests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is good news indeed &#8211; however, I still don&#8217;t quite buy into it, when Rogers stops intercepting DNS requests and displaying their &#8220;search&#8221; page filled with advertising if a DNS request takes longer than a few milliseconds, then I&#8217;ll believe they are all for net nutrality.</p>
<p>Case in point &#8211; most times when I&#8217;m at home on Rogers, it takes me 5-10 tries to get my blog to load up &#8211; I got so frustrated I just edited the hosts file on my computer so I could always get it, regardless of Rogers intercepting my DNS requests.</p>
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		<title>By: Is Rogers Setting A Benchmark for Net Neutrality Policies? &#171; aneas.net</title>
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		<dc:creator>Is Rogers Setting A Benchmark for Net Neutrality Policies? &#171; aneas.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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